JUL-A-12

 

FURTHER EXCHANGE ON PRE-HISTORIC MAJOR CALORIC SOURCES AND THE THYROID FUNCTION THAT WOULD FIT IN ANY PATTERN TO EXPLAIN NEANDERTAL’S EXTINCTION

 

 

 

Dear Glenn,

Thanks for your most thorough reply. It seems to me that some very basic

research is still to be done and will be the only way to resolve some of

these issues.

 

Two of these, however, are not that difficult. You may know medicine but I

know human history. The argument that hunter-gatherers world-wide were

PRIMARILY vegetarian is just not tenable; such a statement does not agree

with either the archaeological or the ethnographic record. While it may have

been so in a very few regions where edible vegetation was abundant (as is

true today), in most areas proteins and fats were the mainstay of the diet,

with edible plants certainly utilized (and relished) whenever they could be

found. The evidence for this is overwhelming and those who promote the

"primitive vegetarian" model do so only by pretending that this evidence

doesn't exist. While it is true that it's difficult to determine the exact

proportion of ancient diets comprised of plant foods, the question is more

one of whether the amount is 5% or 10: there is no uncertainty that 90-95%

of the diet was meat and fat.

 

This is precisely why the cultivation of grain crops revolutionized human

civilizations - it gave people a reasonably reliable source of carbohydrates

for the first time and only then could they cut down on the amount of

protein and fats. (this was a double-edged sword, however, because the

reliance on crops tied them to one place, everyone was subjected to

potential bouts of starvation due to crop failure, soils became depleted and

animal husbandry brought new diseases - see Jared Diamonds "Guns, Germs and

Steel" - and as society became more hierarchical, protein and fat became the

food of the rich and powerful and those at the bottom were expected to

subsist on carbohydrates alone).

 

Native North Americans on the west coast, for example, readily took up the

growing of potatoes traded to them by the Spaniards because they had so few

natural sources of carbohydrates. No one could argue that Inuit/Eskimo

peoples were primarily vegetarian: that they survived for thousands of years

on a diet of meat and fat (with a bit of plant products in summer) is

indisputable. Their teeth are no different than ours - being a human

carnivore doesn't require tooth specialization because we use tools. The

Arctic environment is closer to that experienced by Neandertals than any

other existing one on the planet today and their diets must have been

analogous also.

 

As both you and Dobson have stated several times, it is the alpine regions

of Europe and central Africa that are seriously iodine-deficient. But

Neandertals did not originate in either of these places and were certainly

not confined to the mountains of Europe. Unless that were true, iodine could

not act as a selecting force.

 

There is no doubt that many of our health problems stem from a shift to a

diet of predominantly carbohydrates, one that is difficult to control and

balance - one that MOST of us are really not well-adapted to (native

populations in North America have made this shift much more recently than

those with a European heritage). We are still undergoing a process of

selection - you call the slave trade situation "unnatural selection,"

implying that somehow what is happening with humans is outside nature. But

in fact, the slave trade selection of a stingy gene is but one example of

the kind of microselection to which humans are exposing themselves and each

other (in addition to that imposed by the environment) - it just happens to

be a very useful example that allows us to see clearly what can happen to

both populations under these circumstances. Many bouts of famine have

occurred over time, both small- and large-scale ones, and these have

undoubtedly shaped the physiology of many of our ancestors. The difficulty

is in pinpointing these effects in the totally mixed population that

currently makes up much of the world, when some individuals have problems

and others don't. Diamond's Guns, Germs and Steel is an excellent summary of

 

the power of food sources to shape the development of human societys

(although even he buys into the traditional view of domesticates as human

innovation) - I recommend it highly.

 

On another note, can you explain how is it that your treatment of African

IDD patients with iodine in poppy seed oil was able to last as long as 5

years? Where was THIS iodine stored? It seems to me that perhaps we don't

understand fully what is going on with iodine storage & cycling, both in

humans and in other animals, under different circumstances of diet and

condition of the individual. I'm not trying to be contentious about this - I

am merely trying to clarify where research may be needed to gather more

detailed information, in light of looking at iodine and thyroid hormone from

this evolutionary perspective.

 

This dialogue is all helping - I'm not disputing that iodine sources may be

a limiting factor in some situations of human microselection, it's just that

my thyroxine hypothesis has greater explanatory power in illuminating how

evolution actually works for all vertebrates, not just humans. We need more

data on how it's produced and utilized day-to-day both within and between

species, and how iodine fits as a limiting factor. It shouldn't be a

chicken-or-egg dispute.

 

Look forward to your package.

 

Susan

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What do you think of her response regarding the principle source of calories?  It may obtain in the Arctic with which she is most familiar, but I assume the tropical African origin of the species, which antedated the transmigration of hunters (and perhaps selected by it) by millennia.

 

The response to the iodine store is easy, since I do not believe she understands that the oil is an iodine depot. I will respond to the smaller points after I have mulled over her principal source of prehistoric calories in her comparative analysis.

 

Cheers!

 

GWG

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