JUL-A-9

 

AN EXCHANGE OVER IODINE DEFICENCY AND GOITER

WITH A COMPARATIVE BIOLOGIST

  

 

Dear Susan:

 

I will post only a brief reply, since I am doing this from memory without access to data sources.

 

Halides generally, and Iodides specifically are focal in point origins, usually present where there is or once was a sea salt repository.  There is inadequate iodine in sea water (consider the volume of its distribution!) and even drinking sea water would be an inadequate way of getting iodine sufficiency, since it must be concentrated up the food chain.  That is why the repository source, which I suspect is the residuum less of evaporative large quantities of sea water, than of decayed organic material leaving behind its elemental iodide content.

 

The iodide content of soil, water, and the subsequent plant or animal ingesters of same varies inversely with the distance from the sea, with the exception of these point focal sources, which are actually more enriched than the sea salt.

 

Other factors enter in, however, and they include those factors that elute out the very soluble halides---alternating periods of inundation and dessication---tropical rainy seasons in areas where salt itself becomes a precious and very perishable commodity--glaciated (continental or alpine) areas---just look at a map of the Great Lakes, or Finger Lakes regions in the US alone for geologic evidence---or volcanic origin soil--magma would be a poor source of iodine. 

 

If you look at interior continental, alpine or tropical areas with poor soils with very little organic debris often inundated, and then add some plant origin goitrogens, almost a definitive picture of Central African, Swiss, Himalayan, US MidWestern or Andean regions, and you have a snapshot of an endemia of IDD.

 

Yes, you had sent me your piece for the Forum, and I do not necessarily agree, first, that Neandertal were primarily obligate carnivores (consider their dentition as one bit of evidence) nor, second, that carnivory precludes IDD.  That goiter may be rare (but not non-existent) in animal carnivores, begs too many questions about a whole host of other genetic set-points for their metabolism rather than their diet, and certainly it is an easier postulate to make that there may be different handling of iodine among the different species (beagles are the ones best studied) than to postulate an intra-species switch in the genetic predisposition for iodine handling (see below.)

 

Moreover, I agree that meat (with the exception of hamburgers made of ground up offal--including the thyroid "iodine sink" and fed to senor citizens in a nursing home community--a local mini-epidemic of reported hyperthyroidism in the Dakotas twenty years ago!) is a poor source of iodine generally, although sea food is better, the higher on that food chain the better.  I have several African examples of goiter in herbivores, and at least two in carnivores in the same region as my study population.

 

So, carnivores the Neandertals may have been (on good days) but I would guess that the majority of the calories of any hunter-gatherer population is and was still from forager plant products, with feasts infrequently and famine more regularly.  Yes, iodine is excreted on those feast days, but other than the thyroid--a remarkably efficient concentrator of iodine against a very steep gradient--the choroid plexus, and the gastric mucosa's oxyntic cell mass (remember that it is a "halide pump" secreting very concentrated hydrochloric acid)  there are few other repositories in the body, and the time curve of ingested iodine decay from loading dose levels is well known--but not by me at this moment separated from any of my books.

 

You are aware of the "stingey gene hypothesis" by African-American investigators who hypothesize that there is a differential by which

some individuals have the genetic proclivity to retain salt and calories, and it was the "unnatural selection" of the Middle Passage in the slave trade that

brought about the paradox that hypertension and diabetes--nearly unknown at the African points of origin--becomes a very much higher risk than that for non-black Americans in an environment of abundance of both--and that within a generation, so it would be too early to postulate a genetic drift.

 

It is such a "genetic switch" that might have given rise to the superior concentration of the iodine that Jerry Dobson postulated in the minimal shift from metabolism of Neandertal to Cro-magnon-type moderns to give the energy utilization differential that would render the former non-competitive.

 

I will attach a recent phenomenon in African mal-nutrition and a new wave of epidemic illness foretold in an editorial requested by the same journal Nutrition as had originally been the platform for the controversy in the reviews of my paper on IDD.

 

I recommend a book by Derek Denton "The Hunger for Salt:  An Anthropological, Physiological and Medical Analysis."

 

Yes, I would be very interested in your ideas of funding for further investigation, particularly as I am now headed out, again, into another IDD endemia in the Himalayas in Ladakh, "Kingdom in the Clouds"

 

I may share these thoughts in response to your query, which may arrive at the same time as my packet of reprints, with a few colleagues whom you already know, and I wish you well in your further investigations.  I will try to later access some of the specific data that will support the assertions I am making now from memory of them.

 

Cheers!

 

GWG

>>> Susan Crockford <scrock@tnet.net> 07/06/01 01:03AM >>>

Glenn,

I'm really glad your paper generated a positive response - you deserve it.

It was a really interesting and well presented piece of research.

 

Perhaps you could shed some light on a dilemma that has come up. Were you

given a look at my contribution to the Forum? In it, I state that since

Neandertals were (by all evidence) almost exclusively meat-eaters, it would

have been virtually impossible for them to have been iodine deficient. I

base this on the fact that ALL vertebrates need iodine for thyroid hormone

just as we do, and that some of that hormone (along with the iodine) would

remain in muscle tissue, organs and blood of any kind of animal that was

consumed. As I recall, you also mention that iodine deficiency is most

rampant in areas where people have both calorie and protein-deficient diets

- in other words, they are surviving on minimal nutrients by all counts, and

this is especially problematic in continental regions. Presumeably in

coastal areas, adequate amounts of fish and shellfish are usually attainable

by even the poorest people. 

 

I sent the Forum paper, as a way of explaining my work and interests, to a

local thyroid disease specialist here in Victoria (David Derry, with a Ph.D.

in biochemistry as well as an MD), and we have been chatting back and forth

by email til his schedule leaves him time to meet face to face. He contends

all his references consider meat to be a poor source of iodine and figures

that animals from continental Europe would have even less (he had apparently

read Dobson's paper when it first came out and followed all of hub-bub

afterward).

 

Now, as far as I can see, both things can't be true - something has to be

out of whack here. The soils of Europe and Africa may be "iodine-poor" but

they must have SOME or no vertebrates would be able to live there. As far as

I know, no one is reporting goiters in lions and other carnivores - either

now or in the past. If lions don't suffer from iodine deficiency, why would

humans eating the same food?

 

I'm suggesting that the likely source of the conundrum is either the

relative nature of the comparison (meat may be "low" compared to seaweed or

fish, but still relatively good if you're eating alot of it) OR that we

actually need less iodine on a REGULAR basis than these studies as using as

baselines. The body MUST store and reuse iodine if it's such an essential

and limiting compound. I see in your paper that you report the iodine

content of urine, suggesting that some is actually excreted. Many animals

seek out the urine of other animals, especially herbivores, and this may be

one way they suppliment their limited sources of iodine from plant material.

 

But what is your feeling about minimal levels of iodine required? Would this

change over time, such that pound-per-pound children need more than adults?

If adults got a reasonably big "dose" all at once, say once a week or once a

month, could that last them til the next time? I guess what I'm wondering is

if this 100 micrograms/day recommended dose (see below) is a weekly or

monthly need averaged out to a daily amount for convenience and that this

becomes more than a little misleading when you try to reconcil it with the

reality of peoples diet.

Derry says that this "adequate" amount recommended is only just enough to

prevent goiter development & is considered a "minimum"

 

ref. cited:

Goodman and Gilman's  "The Pharmacological Basis of Therapeutics. Forth

Edition. The Macmillian Company Toronto 1970. Page 1478.

 

Relation of iodine to thyroid function:

Second paragraph:

"To ensure an adequate intake (of iodine), which is usually taken to be

about 100 micrograms per day, one would have to eat about 10 lb of

vegetables or fruit, or 6 lb of meat or fresh-water fish. Milk and eggs are

somewhat better sources, but most potable waters contain a negligible

amount."

 

Any light you could shed on this would be much appreciated. I'm hoping that

you may have a better understanding about the total cycling of iodine from

soil to plants to animals to water, etc. than anyone else. I've just got a

line on some research $$ that might be applicable to some research along

these lines, if you're interested...

 

Thanks again for the goodies.

Susan

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